http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comments Is there such a thing as a gay Muslim? Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:08:10 +0000 en http://www.toseef.com/toseef-logo.gif http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comments 116 25 toseef's logo http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment40 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2102 Sat, 05 Sep 2009 08:08:10 +0000 Ahmad Brother, please refer to my previous comments about my stand on the difference between gay people and homosexuality. I definitely sympathise with people who are gay and have said several times that they are not the wrong, it is the act of homosexuality that is a transgress. I would also like to say that people with homosexual urges have been put through one of the toughest tests on this life, but imagine what reward you will get for overcoming those urges. Consider two Muslims, one who has an easy life, makes his salat on time, fasts, pays zakat, etc, with not major problems all his life. according to Islam, he will go to heaven, but imagine another person who also completes all his duties as a Muslim, but he/she is also put though a wide spectrum of tests every day, one harder than the other, and this man/woman manages to hold hard to his/her faith and follows through on the text of Allah, imagine for a minute the reward they will receive in the hereafter! Imagine that! ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment39 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2101 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:19:38 +0000 Okkkkk I agree completley but still there is no reason that humans would lack compassion for those who sin, and instead waste energy on calling a certain kind of sinner as unworthy of the "muslim" title u said it your self only God knows whats in the hearts, and the least we can do as muslims is if we find someone struggling with some "sin" "problem" we offer help/understanding and not our personal judgment of what this person "Is"...it is too proud and heart breaking for no reason but pure feeling of superiority..if humans of "good faith" them selves can't understand how that the struggle to be of good faith is different for everyone (for very different circumstances and tests each one has), and instead enjoy shunning people out of a faith for there own sanity's sake (and find it quiet easy to claim who is going to heaven and who is not)...how does some think that this is a "good faith" kind of quality is beyond me.
Allah Knows Best. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment38 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2100 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:05:14 +0000 Ahmad That is not Islam. In Islam, making the Shahada (bearing witness by one God and Mohamed (PBUH) as his messenger) is the start of the road, and if you think that this is enough for you to be a Muslim...ohhh how wrong you are!
You see in Islam, your level of devotion, to how you live your life, what you eat to how you talk all effect your current daily life and your chance of getting a ticket to heaven..After all that is our goal..right?..this world means nothing more than a test...we can all walk around and call ourselves Muslims...but that will only be fooling the people around us...what matters is what is inside our hearts...and if we ourselves know that Allah is not a friend of the Gay and that he has clearly stated this in the Quran...and we continue to encourage and act on such sinful urges...than we might fool ourselves and the rest of mankind...but Allah knows what is in our hearts!...regardless of how right or innocent we think we are! ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment37 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2099 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:01:35 +0000 Ahmad That is not Islam. In Islam, making the Shahada (bearing witness by one God and Mohamed (PBUH) as his messenger) is the start of the road, and if you think that this is enough for you to be a Muslim...ohhh how wrong you are!
You see in Islam, your level of devotion, to how you live your life, what you eat to how you talk all effect your current daily life and your chance of getting a ticket to heaven..After all that is our goal..right?..this world means nothing more than a test...we can all walk around and call ourselves Muslims...but that will only be fooling the people around us...what matters is what is inside our hearts...and if we ourselves know that Allah is not a friend of the Gay and that he has clearly stated this in the Quran...and we continue to encourage and act on such sinful urges...than we might fool ourselves and the rest of mankind...but Allah knows what is in our hearts!...regardless of how right or innocent we think we are! ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment36 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2098 Fri, 04 Sep 2009 22:00:26 +0000 Ahmad That is not Islam. In Islam, making the Shahada (bearing witness by one God and Mohamed (PBUH) as his messenger) is the start of the road, and if you think that this is enough for you to be a Muslim...ohhh how wrong you are!
You see in Islam, your level of devotion, to how you live your life, what you eat to how you talk all effect your current daily life and your chance of getting a ticket to heaven..After all that is our goal..right?..this world means nothing more than a test...we can all walk around and call ourselves Muslims...but that will only be fooling the people around us...what matters is what is inside our hearts...and if we ourselves know that Allah is not a friend of the Gay and that he has clearly stated this in the Quran...and we continue to encourage and act on such sinful urges...than we might fool ourselves and the rest of mankind...but Allah knows what is in our hearts!...regardless of how right or innocent we think we are! ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment35 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2096 Sun, 23 Aug 2009 04:27:32 +0000 Atash Parcha - Sum kabulaus.wordpress.com

I accidently ran across your blog while searching for a Ramadan timetable. Nevertheless, your comment whereby you say there's no such thing as a 'gay Muslim'caught my attention.

In a world where judging each other has led to nothing but destruction and war - let's stop it! Secondly, based on a Sahih hadith, a Muslim is anyone who bears witness by one God and Moh'd as his messenger. This includes homosexuals, rapists, murderers, etc UNLESS the person himself/herself declares himself/herself as a non-Muslim, s/he will remain a Muslim. It's not for us to judge and label!

May Allah guide us all.

Wallahu a'lam. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment34 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2082 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:44:50 +0000 Ahmed
You are attracted to you own sex, with variants of taste among gay people them selves, and obviously the bigger problem is you have no attraction "if not repulsed" by females.

Why are you a **ggot?
Well believe me I wish I had a clue, but I must say its the last thing on my mind personally why?? because this kinda of feeling has started since I ever started thinking about sex from the first place so the notorious famous refute is, why are YOU straight..If you answered that we probably have the same answer.

Are you sure??
My God what I would do to find out that I am mildly not sure, and the worse thing is Im pretty sure I am not attracted to females.

Stop being a **ggot!!
Now stopping the attraction, is as stopping your typical adolescent guy not to think about sex, or if he sees an attractive female he doesn't at least gets distracted (Please do not kid your self that you don't), and again being gay to gay people isnt like what most straight people define as having sex..its the attraction its self that torments you and defines the essence of being gay.

It must be behavioral, change your behavior:
Well my only answer to that is, why don't you go be a major in whatever department and rid the world of these beasts, and believe me we would be so grateful you found out the secret ingredient of turning gay people to straight people I know I would, until then don't assume you understand what being gay is or that it is indeed curable unless you have some personal non internet based experience (maybe get rats and apply that behavioral factor of yours).

You must understand this is like spitting on gods idea of reproduction:
You know what drives me nuts about this, is the pain I feel for what humans mean to Allah, so what if a woman cant conceive, she is quiet pointless (well that's how Muslims could easily point her out as), Infertile men??, and most importantly women/men with no luck are seen as lousy and not devout enough.

Just Get married and god will bless:
This the typical Muslim behavior towards deep problems, swipe it under the carpet obviously deceive the wife, or better yet why not marry a lesbian. I believe unlike straights gay people have a deeper understanding, of what it means to live a lie and how that the results of it is most probably an explosion and so much damage it hurts so much people and including your self. So such a step isn't accepted by gays not as "they are just lustful" its cause they fear themselves, they know how brutal the consequences can be, and tbh I believe of course they will be :s. To say the least it is not by any means that simple because of the consequences at hand rather than the desire to simply pursue men.

Gay Muslims Don't exist:
I have nothing to say but see you in Al Akhera Inshallah maybe then you will believe.

Refer to God to control your devil:
Ok, I don't know how that works exactly I do know I am trying, but I demand that as much of a task you ask of me, I ask of you to be forgiving understanding, enlightened about our pain, simple derogatory comments and opinions that you carelessly and not necessarily intently make destroys hearts of little gay Muslims, either making them revert completely and feel shunned, thus choosing the sins since they have no salvation. The idea of self hate is quiet destructive, and when you feel your very fabric of existence vanishes because what people say you are, and doom you as Kafir/or doomed to Hell.

I am through asking for compassion I only forced my self to write this hoping that another gay soul Muslim or not feels that there's one poster that cared enough to elaborate and defend his feelings, and praying to God this has informed you anything about what a Gay person is

Sorry If I abused the Blog. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment33 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2081 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:16:41 +0000 Ahmed Be more compassionate
Be more spiritual (and try to conceive what that means)
Do not forget your just as human as the next one
And Stop being so dam proud (egoistic) its the last thing a muslim should feel.

I have talked alot I am sorry but its only to help my pain :(. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment32 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2080 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:02:21 +0000 Ahmed
Just one more thing, remember that the prophet when he came to this earth, the world was full of "non Muslims" the only ones he had a problem with are these who were offensive and discriminative of his believes and he was a minority, the least you can do is show understanding and compassion, so that you "represent" your God and Prophet in a humane way, not assume that since you pray/fast (as the blogger obviously is flaunting about) then you have the right to feel superior grounded and oh so divine, that you couldn't care less about your fellow man, you should feel remorse for lost souls rather than contentment/condescending at least to even propagate the religion as a decent one, I am not saying do not say false things about it just to attract, but by no means reject different minds and souls, thats what my desperate/suicidal soul would like to believe for it to be able to live...for now.

From
A gay muslim (or person) who found no salvation of soul from his fellow muslims. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment31 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2079 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:53:30 +0000 Ahmed
Which brings me to the other point, that gay people are always seen as sex crazed maniacs...that want to live the "gay life style" and thats all there is to there pain, do you know how hard it is to actually grasp this. That God made you something that everyone despises to the core, sees as vile and deviant and messed up and that you are a whore in the making, you are the devils easy food. Do you how brain numbing this makes a person, they cant function anymore, they cant know whats right and what is wrong anymore, they have no will to enjoy anything on this earth, all what they are doing (if the answer is just accept it already you **ggot), with no remorse or acceptance from his bretheren/sisters not even to the life style or the mistakes but to the pain.

But ofcourse he wont, because if you have heard that generaly gay people are extremley kind and empathic, thats because of all this hatered and minority disposal treatment and mind you the divine feeling of being corrupted to the core, makes you understand what it means to be weak in this world, what it means to be discriminated (which muslims seem to advocate that who cares! dont be so touchy be devout instead) discrimination is about not being just to you fellow man, which muslims are feeling less and less obligated to think off.

They feel if someone is drinking/smoking/gay/not muslim from the first place, they have a right to bad mouth him, and call him unworthy of Allahs attention, and judge him, now what is really amusing to me is never mind the fact that you can not be compassionate and understand, but if you are indeed of spiritual depth, and are indeed such a divine servant of God, I just cant see you conceiving the ability to judge so easily and with no remorse, because your head would be tormented by your own sins. Your own journey of understanding religion. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment30 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2078 Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:52:19 +0000 Ahmed
Which brings me to the other point, that gay people are always seen as sex crazed maniacs...that want to live the "gay life style" and thats all there is to there pain, do you know how hard it is to actually grasp this. That God made you something that everyone despises to the core, sees as vile and deviant and messed up and that you are a whore in the making, you are the devils easy food. Do you how brain numbing this makes a person, they cant function anymore, they cant know whats right and what is wrong anymore, they have no will to enjoy anything on this earth, all what they are doing (if the answer is just accept it already you **ggot), with no remorse or acceptance from his bretheren/sisters not even to the life style or the mistakes but to the pain.

But ofcourse he wont, because if you have heard that generaly gay people are extremley kind and empathic, thats because of all this hatered and minority disposal treatment and mind you the divine feeling of being corrupted to the core, makes you understand what it means to be weak in this world, what it means to be discriminated (which muslims seem to advocate that who cares! dont be so touchy be devout instead) discrimination is about not being just to you fellow man, which muslims are feeling less and less obligated to think off.

They feel if someone is drinking/smoking/gay/not muslim from the first place, they have a right to bad mouth him, and call him unworthy of Allahs attention, and judge him, now what is really amusing to me is never mind the fact that you can not be compassionate and understand, but if you are indeed of spiritual depth, and are indeed such a divine servant of God, I just cant see you conceiving the ability to judge so easily and with no remorse, because your head would be tormented by your own sins. Your own journey of understanding religion. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment29 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#2010 Sun, 10 May 2009 22:35:12 +0000 Sasha http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment28 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#1150 Sun, 24 Dec 2006 19:37:48 +0000 Ahmad the quote innocently states that practicing your lust upon men rather than upon women is unaccpetable...
your interpretation of the quote backed by your unidentified research of history makes one believe that it is unaccpetable to FORCE MEN but acceptable to FORCE YOUR LUSTS UNTO WOMEN....correct me if i am wrong!
Are you saying that our prophet (peace be upon him) meant "For ye FORCEFULLY practice your lusts on men in preference to FORCEFULLY ON women: ye are indeed a people transgressing" when he stated For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment27 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#1074 Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:54:12 +0000 Abc http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment26 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#822 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:35:26 +0000 Ahmad (sexiscientist[at]hotmail.com) when it is clearly forbidden in the Quran that one cannot be gay and call themselves Muslim and when one turns to Islam, they accept all of Allah's conditions including no alcohol, no smoking, and NO HOMOSEXUALITY, why is it that when one of the conditions do not fit your lifestyle or "temptations" that u must run around the bush and either find another meaning for the words printed in the Quran or reasons such as flexibility of a religion to justify your belief.
I am not an extremist and I don't know why in today’s society any man that gets up and defends the true meaning of Islam, they are labelled as extremists....I am a psychology student who has taken an extensive amount of courses in evolution and human biology, so I can say that I can provide numerous well known researches that contradict homosexuality as incurable physiological disease and rather support the idea that homosexuality is just a psychological disorder that can be fixed through correct clinical implementation....I repeat can be FIXED. If you study psychology, you will really learn that there is no one side to a story….every theory has an opposing side.
A religion is introduced to us as humans to shape a culture and fix its wrongs...we are not qualified to pick and choose according to its COMPATIBILITY with our individual lifestyles....don't u see fellow brothers and sisters....Islam is pure. Pure in the sense that it cleanses the dirty in society...and that it is unchanged, meaning the words read today still reflect the words read 1400 years ago...
Now I am not saying that anyone who is gay is the dirt in society….. No, It’s the act of homosexuality that is the dirt....u are only fallen victim to its transgression....
I have been raised in a western country....once I too knew little if anything bout Islam but when I started learning, I have yet no doubt in Islam and its interpretation….and I have had tremendous encounters with non believers that say Islam and homosexuality can live together or rather should live together in peace. But that is what sets Islam apart from other religions such as Christianity. OUR RELIGON IS PURE AND NOT CHANGEABLE. And if Islam was wrong for its strong hold or “inflexibility” then it would not be growing at the rate that it is.
So may I please say that before u customise Islam to fit ur lifestyle...u read this quote from prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) "For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing."
Surely I could not have said any more to make such a statement obvious. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment25 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#813 Sat, 23 Sep 2006 09:03:09 +0000 Ceebo I am gay, and I am Muslim. My deep studying of Islam has caused me to surrender to its beauty. Thus, coming to a realization that Islam is a set of guidelines to attain a higher spiritual well being, a type of oneness with mankind. Once this is attained, the latter is irrelevant. Muslims, and non-Muslims, all strive for the same ideas, yet most have been lost along the way with their ritualistic idiosyncrasies, hubris, and finger-pointing.
If you are Muslim, and gay, your relationship with God, your intent and how you conduct your life are what matter. Don’t let anyone else judge you; they’ll never get it right.

msn haseeber@hotmail.com ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment24 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#809 Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:22:03 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment23 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#808 Mon, 18 Sep 2006 08:20:44 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment22 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#802 Wed, 13 Sep 2006 21:15:22 +0000 Adil http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment21 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#766 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 20:56:15 +0000 Samira (ashonly4u[at]hotmail.com) http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment20 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#751 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 21:35:49 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment19 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#750 Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:46:23 +0000 Rio http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment18 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#749 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:55:42 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment17 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#744 Sat, 05 Aug 2006 21:55:50 +0000 Rio http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment16 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#741 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:38:38 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment15 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#740 Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:37:08 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment14 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#734 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:21:01 +0000 Rio http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment13 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#731 Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:37:42 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment12 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#729 Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:16:15 +0000 Rio ARE YOU ON DRUGS OR AN ALCAHOLIC?
I have never in my life heard any BULLSHIT like you have written.

1. A research study will not change the view and teachings of Islam, like the holy quran wont until the day of judgement. There are many pointless studies carried out such as this on a daily basis but that shouldnt surely change the teachings of Islam as the Quran will not!

2.Islam Flexible? Where does it say that in the quran. You have been sent into this world to follow the commandments of Allah not be flexible with his orders!

3. I agree the molvis dont decide who is a muslim because we follow our Prophet(peace be upon him)so regardless of anything we follow everything written in the quran!

4. You mention in the quran it states "We created you in Partners" it is sunnat to get married to an opposite sex. Do you even know the way the kaum-e-lut were punished?

5.You cant drink alcohol in islam so i would rather die but drink, thats purely because as a muslim you have to sacrifice and control your temptation. e.g its natural for a humans to be attracted to each other but if you persue that further by say kissing a gher-mehram that is zinah, a major sin. Therefore you have to make sacrifice to any desire. All would come down to how strong your imaan is, so by drinking to stay alive ........ Im sure you get that by now! (smoking is makruh, but repeating makruh becomes haram)

6."God does not want u to lead life according to his ways otherwise he would have made you angels" .... any point me commenting on that? will just say life is a test and allah is testing you in this world, with all the world affairs does his creation still worship allah and lead the life shown by his prophet? i think youve been led astray by this world you live in and have started interpreting islam in a way that would suit yourself.

Maybe people should just start from scratch when following islam with the five pillars. And for the benefit of every muslim reading this blog including my self i will finish with the kalimah of islam which by the way is NOT FLEXIBLE!

Laa-ilaaha il-lal-laahu muhammadur rasoo-lul-laah

"There is none worthy of worship but Allah and Muhammad(Sallallahu-Alaihi-Wa-Sallam) is Allah's Messenger"

The purpose of this life my brothers and sisters is to follow the commandmants of Allah, success in this life and the life hereafter can only be gained by doing this which has been shown by our prophet. May allah give us all taufeeq ad hidayat to act upon this. ameen. ]]> http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#comment11 http://www.toseef.com/200510-gay-muslim#709 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:38:13 +0000 A Voice To Be Heard